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I have broken Jo Grant

  • Jul. 1st, 2006 at 2:33 AM
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I hadn't watched any Three in literally a decade, not counting The Five Doctors, and reckoned I was slacking on the Jonlove. So I watched The Two Doctors, and continued to slack on the Jonlove because of all the Patlove that was going on (he so utterly steals the entire thing it's almost embarrassing, except no one could possibly complain what with him being Pat, and thus Brilliant). And lo, I was struck by how lovely Jo was with her knicker-flashing, and I didn't mind that she was a bit useless, because she had really good boots that I did envy very much.

I think my first ever encounter with Jo was on some retrospective, where Katy was talking about how she never had her specs on and thus never had a clue what was going on, and I thought, awww. That'd be me, stumbling around after the Doctor, not having my specs on. And she's all girly and perky and has Mick Ronson hair, and how could anyone not think she was cute as a button?

Only then I watched the dvd extras, and there was Katy Manning at some con and I WANTED TO STAB HER.

And now I'm trying to watch The Green Death, and all I can think is I WANT TO STAB YOU.

I think this is why I don't go to conventions. I'm not very good at the whole fiction/reality divide. She is spoilering it, though! I want to look at the maggots, and get hoity about the accents (Prof Clifford is from some suspicious northwesty place, very dodge), and all I can think of is how much I...wish to do something. With knives.

Also, I am not at all feeling the Jonlove. I'm just not getting it. What is the deal with Three? What am I meant to like? He is smug and sort of unconvincing. *cries at failure to be proper old school*

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[identity profile] bibliophile1887.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2006 01:54 am (UTC)
I'm rather ambivilent about three. I mean, there are times that I really like him, and other times when I just don't really care. But then, I've seen so few of his stories that I don't feel like I can judge him fairly.

Why do you want to ... do things with knives? What did she do that made you realize you have a knife fettish when she's around?
[identity profile] pontisbright.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2006 02:07 am (UTC)
You know how some women are the kind of women that other women really really despise, quite instantly? She's one of them. Which is impressive, cos till then, as far as Jo was concerned, I was both fangirling and also quite wanting to go to the pub with her.

On a specific note, she was wearing a quite startling outfit with an amazingly short skirt, with little cutouts in it to emphasise that it was even shorter in places. And shit, the woman has great legs, don't get me wrong: she should work them. But there's that whole 'I'm a certain age yet I have great legs, AND I am at a convention full of sweating fanboys who will like that, woo!' that just smacks of...nasty. And she got into this whole 'toying with the audience' schtick, which involved her getting up out of her seat repeatedly, to show off the great legs, and it all started to feel a bit manipulative - especially as the whole thing she's peddling is the same 'kooky innocent wide-eyed gal' thing, and it just looked sort of, um, cheap. And then she did the same thing at some little 12 year old, and it looked just plain freaky.

She's exactly the same in Lust in Space. It's like she's stuck on Kooky Slutgirl setting, and Three never got round to switching itoff because he thought it would be funny.

I really haven't seen much of him - but none of it is setting me alight, and she is not helping, sadly.
[identity profile] bibliophile1887.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2006 02:45 am (UTC)
Makes sense. I understand about having an instant dislike for someone. Although I think you're the first I've heard about disliking Katy. I enjoyed her in the audio "The Wormery" very much. She makes a great Iris. However, I can certainly understand how her as a person would turn you off of the character of the third Doctor.

Perhaps if you tried a story with Liz (Inferno perhaps) or one with Sarah (NOT Planet of Spiders). Perhaps without Rose Jo there you might actually like the Doctor!
[identity profile] pontisbright.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2006 02:56 am (UTC)
It's tricky, isn't it, knowing how much comes down to companions? I imagine a fair bit of my resistance to Six and Seven has a fairly obvious screechy source (and I have been trying to rehabilitate that one, but, eek, it ain't easy).

I must admit to never having seen a Liz story. I suspect she will reveal that actually, weird Katy-annoyance aside, I think Three is a bit of a santimonious arse. I keep being pleased when it's bits with the Brig being all fussy, and bored when the Doctor does the same thing. Even the Venusian aikido isn't doing it - although i did like the bit where he was trying to forage in some dirt, and you got a nice close-up of his frilly cuffs.

I should not be judgy, though. If I viewed Five purely though 'Four to Doomsday' that would be deeply harsh, after all.
[identity profile] bibliophile1887.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2006 03:09 am (UTC)
I must admit to never having seen a Liz story.

Although she spends much of "Inferno" acting like a alternate version of herself, she's absolutely fab. Plus there's just a sweet hug at the end, that puts to shame any Three/Jo shipping. If I had to ship three with someone it would totally be Liz. Her first story is Spearhead From Space (naturally) and she's wonderful in that too. It's just a pity she was only around for one season. *sigh*

I think Three is a bit of a santimonious arse.

He is, he really is. But then I think that can be said for just about all of the Doctors.

I imagine a fair bit of my resistance to Six and Seven has a fairly obvious screechy source

See, I've always loved Peri, and I think Mel was simply mis-used. She had so much potential and it was totally wasted. But then, so did the character of the sixth Doctor, and any number of companions through the years.
[identity profile] pontisbright.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2006 02:21 pm (UTC)
Ta for the tips - I shall make some additions to my dvd waitlist!

Of Mel stories, I've only seen Paradise Towers recently, but I really struggle to find redeeming features from her. Bonnie just plays to the back row all the time, and while I understand how that might have worked with the campy panto of the show at the time, it just grates. She's acting in a completely different genre from everyone else. I know that she's meant to be relentlessly eager and perky, but at some point we should sort of like her, shouldn't we? Or at least sympathise with her a bit. And I can't get round her 'performer' approach enough to see her as a rounded character.

But then, as you say, she's hardly the first to have wasted potential.
[identity profile] bibliophile1887.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2006 02:30 pm (UTC)
I think if the writers had actually taken advantage of the fact that she had a near-photographic memory and that she was a wiz when it came to computers, she might have been a good companion. Alas she just wasn't written well.
[identity profile] pontisbright.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2006 02:39 pm (UTC)
See, I had no idea of any of that. All I was getting was annoying health freak with a fashion sense which is, quite distressingly, not that dissimilar to what is in Topshop at the moment, and a tendency to be ear-piercingly loud. *sigh* They really did bugger up quite badly with Six and Seven.
[identity profile] bibliophile1887.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2006 03:06 pm (UTC)
See, I had no idea of any of that.

She's really used well in the BBC book "Business Unusual."

All I was getting was annoying health freak with a fashion sense which is, quite distressingly, not that dissimilar to what is in Topshop at the moment,

Which is why I think [livejournal.com profile] samantha2074 requested a Mel fic in which she doesn't scream and there's no mention of carrot juice and exercise for [livejournal.com profile] whofest.

Hopefully, I'll get it finished this weekend. Yay!
[identity profile] frightened.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2006 12:27 am (UTC)
Paradise Towers... sure I saw that on UKTV Gold the other month. Isn't that the one where Mel's all "all hell's breaking loose, so I think I'll just randomly go for a swim in the basement accompanied only by the freaky dude who speaks in the third person, because that's not a cliched set-up for carnage and disaster at all ever"?